Dead Eye Dick with Scott Hennen of WDAY radio:
"Q Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?
"THE VICE PRESIDENT: It's a no-brainer for me, but for a while there, I was criticized as being the Vice President 'for torture.' We don't torture. That's not what we're involved in. We live up to our obligations in international treaties that we're party to and so forth. But the fact is, you can have a fairly robust interrogation program without torture, and we need to be able to do that."